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Actually, she's not a pirate, she's one of the DiVAS.
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinatly.
Hot pirate
Darryl Hannah is a hot pirate!
I wasn't 'sticking around' to see the problem either. I noticed it, you showed up, I showed you, you agreed, then you left, then I left.
Either way, we were looking at the "user joined:" date rather than the "Posted:" date.
- HB
hey speak for yourself--I couldn't stick around to figure your problem out--all I saw was that it looked like there was a problem.
Lemme guess: you were on page one of the topic?
Raven
oh, and for good measure :D :) :( :o :lol: 8) :? 8O :x :P :oops: :cry: :!: :wink: :roll: :evil: :?: :idea: :arrow: :| :badgrin: :doubt:
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
:oops: :? :roll:
Disregard previous transmission. Turns out Raven and I are both quite retarded. I blame it on the fact that I was up at 6:00 to drive 3 and a half hours this morning.
On second thought, it was all just a test. Congratulations Blaze, crisis averted.
- HB
huh?
Your post says "Posted: 19 Apr 2004 09:50"
That would be this morning. Looks right to me.
Blaze
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A warrior is judged by his enemies,
A man by his friends.
not that this is on-topic in any way, but what the hell is wrong with the dates of the posts? There are some serious problems I think.
help?
- HB
erica wrote
yep.
I fancy myself a smartass, raised in a family of 'em. :D
Among our patron saints are Groucho, Chico, Harpo, Gummo, Zeppo, and W.C.
"Keep looking for it....you'll find it."
-Perry Marshall
I wish you well.
Somebody gets my sense of humor!! :D :D I take it we were both raised by smartasses, eh?
Problem is, sass doesn't translate too well into ASCII. People take it much less personally when it's accompanied by a shit-eating grin and a couple of beers.
To all: If it ever seems like I'm insulting you, I'm just busting your chops. Give me a taste of my own medicine in a creative and funny way, and I'll love you forever :)
It's really just a bunch of silliness (at least from my end)
Hey Neo,
Demi Moore just called....She said Ashton just was'nt cutting it anymore...
;)
"Keep looking for it....you'll find it."
-Perry Marshall
I wish you well.
Sorry, I'm having trouble following the argument here....who's saying what here?
Raven
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
I'm at a loss for words.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we were talking about relationships and not no strings attached sex. Quite a difference there.
Besides, if an older woman did offer me like that, I'd still think she was a little awkward. I wouldn't mind having sex with some of those women, for sure, but whether or not I'd actually do it is a whole other story.
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinatly.
Oh puh-leez NeoStarr. If some sexy older chick tried to seduce you, I am willing to bet that your reaction woudn't exactly be the most moral one :P
C'maan, if someone who looked like any of the ladies I posted in this thread propositioned you, would you seriously say, "Sorry ma'am, but you're just too old for me"?
UH HUH THOUGHT SO!!!!
lol neostarr
you make a persuasive argument...
Raven
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
That's different though, because she's a mom. That means that I could go up to somebody and make fun of them because I fucked their mother, but I could mean it. Who wouldn't do that?
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinatly.
Since we're resurrecting this thread:
Darryl Hannah, age 44
I, too, would like to welcome Dorei to the forums.
Well met, indeed,
*bows*
Raven
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Like you wouldn't fuck a hot 35-y/o MILF given the chance ;)
Dorei, welcome to the board, but we're pretty much all convinced that your specific relationship with Blaze is a very healthy and fulfilling one. Neostarr is just jealous because guys like Blaze are stealing all the cute chickies his age ;) The more general discussion about whether or not age matters has pretty much been beaten to death, although I understand why you would want to add to this topic.
I think that befriending someone for three years allows you to know whether or not the two of you are capable of maintaining an emotionally healthy relationship, no matter what the insignificant age-gap may be.
I hate to keep this going, but whatever...
I was reading Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas yesterday (I'm just gonna assume at least somebody here is familiar with it) and I got to the part where he walks into the Flamingo and meets Lucy and the whole situation kind of reminded me of this. Dr. Gonzo thought he was doing the girl a favor and raising her up right and such, but in the long run he was probably fucking things up for everyone. Of course, it's probably different in this case since neither of you are probably keeping your respected doreis on a head full of booze and acid and sodomizing them, but still, I think the idea is sort of similar, where everybody but him can see there's something wrong with it.
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinatly.
To Blaze
I didn't want to step in earlier because I was new, but I figured the only way to get past that was by posting and stepping in, enough is enough! By looking at past posts and what others have to say about you Blaze...I can see you are a stand up guy. My Girlfriend and and I took in a young girl (14 y.o.) who was from a troubled past...Incest from a parent and brothers, drugs, prostitution and needed direction...I caught her trying to break into my house is how it all started, I asked 2 questions of her which she answered right. (I won't go into those 2 questions here in open forum). After another 2 years when My G/F left, she stayed with me for another 2 years. She worked out with me...we had a strict workout everyday, I taught her, she taught me, and fought with me on many things (Almost minute by minute). She is on her own now and is a sucessful woman in her own right~Blair
Older guys do have some influence, to change the future.
And before anyone thinks..."nice guy." Forget it, I've done some bad things, but I also have a beautiful house in an increasing high crime area with a ton of kids around. I play football, hockey, let them rollerblade or skate in my rock free driveway. I am working with these kids, not so much for them, but so they don't grow up and rob me.
I'm not going to respond to any specifics in this post.
I do want to apologize for my tone in the two posts from Wednesday. I stand by my content, but the tone was needlessly agressive. I was hit a hard limit with my stress levels that day, and the implications in what I was reading pushed me over the top.
I do want to respond to one thing:
2 people mentioned that if a girl close to them became involved with a significantly older man, they would respond quickly and violently--"shoot first, ask questions later" so to speak.
This reaction bothers me greatly. Neither one mentioned anything about finding out who the man is, what he's like, how he treats the girl, what the relationship involves, how she feels about him, what changes her behavior has taken, how it affects her life.
If you truely care about that girl, I would hope that you would find out the answers to these questions first, then react appropriately.
I find it very disturbing that 18= innocent unless proven guilty, but 28=guilty *and executed*, then maybe proven innocent later. That's called prejudice. And it's ugly and destructive.
Instant violent action would not only destroy the man, but quite possibly also the trust that girl has in you, her self confidence, and/or a chance for her to be involved in something that is positive and valuable for her.
If he's taking advantage of her, then punish him justly. If he's treating her with respect and love, be happy for her.
Blaze
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A warrior is judged by his enemies,
A man by his friends.
APOLOGY
Blaze,
I apologize, my earlier statments where ment as friendly warning. Not to emply any kind of sexual misconduct on your part. You are an intelligent man and know how easy it is for people to find out personal information about others on the web. If some one was casually browsing the forums for the first time they could easily misconstrue that you are having sex with this young girl and then contact the police. I think we can agree that this would be a very bad thing.
I felt the need to clarify my intent, sorry if it was taken otherwise.
And again I apologize.
Thus with imagined wing our swift scene flies,
In motion of no less celerity
Than that of thought.
Kim Cattrall. Mid-forties. Purrr.
I swear, I usually prefer dark-haired women, but for some reason all the hot older chicks are blonde.
That picture is so fucking hot.
heh see? slaves can have power too :)
Raven
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
I’d like to step in here and flex my mod-muscles just a bit. Please indulge me.
What we’ve got here is a hot topic. In any other forum, this would be absolute flamebait. No one would be safe.
Now, we’re all showing a lot of maturity and holding ourselves back. Kudos.
Obviously, though, we’ve got vastly differing sides.
I don’t think there is a single person here who would accuse Blaze of being a creepy old man, a man who disrespects women, or anything bad at all. I’ve met Blaze myself, and he’s a great guy. Very gentle and gives off an aura of self-control, self-respect, and respect for those around him. I understand about his relationship and I don’t think it’s been stated clearly that his relationship with Megan is absolutely 100% different than my relationship with my Master or Steph’s with hers. He sees in her a flower in its bud and simply wants it to bloom so others will see the rose therein. He does not want to take the flower and...well...deflower it.
Secondly, Haddock-Boy’s argument at this point boils down to: any relationship can be abusive or dangerous, no matter what ages or any other traits are involved. Now, he was concerned about the inability of a 16 year old to know her needs. I agree that 16 year olds don’t know their needs. That doesn’t mean that they should be shielded from living and making decisions. I know you’re not saying that, HB, but think of how we all were, back in high school. How many of us ended up the way we thought we would? Think of the really silly things we did and decisions we made (even decisions that caused confusion and hurt in other people...) because we were 16. Now, think of the good decisions we made.
16 is 16. And soon it will be 17, and 18...
In a general sense, here, you don’t find a lot of “30+ with under 20†relationships. Probably because they just don’t hang in the same circles. I’m not taking sides here, I’m laying out the argument as I see it.
People here have a lot of personal feelings involved in this argument. That’s okay, but we’re not really in an argument about whether Blaze’s relationship is “treading a line†or not anymore. What has happened is both sides have gone and pulled more and more extreme examples in support of their side and the entire thing has gotten blown out of proportion. Let’s try to see the other’s real side before we end up hating each other for life.
Thank you.
This has been brought to you by your newest mod, ambrosia.
All that glitters has a high refractive index.
as a really late postscript to my really long other post, I think the reason that your various arguments don't sit well with me at all is that by using them in this setting, you're trying to set up a direct opposition between relationships between two people of vastly different ages, and horrible mistreatment of women.
The opposite of dating men twice your age is not by default abuse, neglect, rape and hospitalization, which is what seems to be the crux of using those instances. Likewise, the opposite of dating similarly aged people is not happiness. Thirdly, the reaction to relationships that have gone rediculously sour should be to find someone who will respect you for who you are, etc, not necessarily to discard the idea of anyone of similar ages being an unfit match.
Hope that clarifies some things.
- HB
Has anyone ever noticed that Erica always seems to post in threes?
Anyway, being a fresh faced 17 year old, I feel I should voice my opinion.
First of all, I know and deal with teenagers (16 and some 17's) on a daily basis who cut, are anorexic, addicted to drugs, promiscuous, or whatever, and I'm proud to call them my friends. First of all, what they do is their buisiness, because as long as they're not suicidal (and they arn't. We can smell our own), then they're not gonna let it get out of hand to the point where they're gonna die. Also, I live in the boonies. Cornfields in every direction. We do this kind of stuff for fun because there's really nothing else.
But if any of us ever caught one of our own having any sort of relationship with someone almost twenty years older then them, (and this is nothing personal, Blaze), our first reaction would be to go apeshit on the other person. When somebody else is involved, the person is not as safe as if he or she were looking after themselves. The way we see it, the only reason a sixteen year old would be in a relationship like that would either be because they are brainwashed or because they don't feel they're gettin the attention they deserve from the rest of the group. Either way, the other dude is just asking for an ass-whuppin'.
Now, if we had the common sense to try to view it from Blazes perspective, we might hold ourselves back. But to us, it's just too dangerous. I'd imagine there could only be about 1 in 100 relationships with an age difference like that that would be with someone like Blaze, for whom it actually is about respect. Still, it's not worth the risk.
Now Blaze, you say that you enjoyed 16 year olds when you were 16, so why can't you enjoy them now and such? Well, I enjoyed 9 year olds when I was 9. Now I babysit the motherfuckers and find nothing erotic about it. I've matured and so have the people around me, and you have to assume one day maybe your dorei will mature and feel that she made a mistake. I relise that it's a big maturity difference between 9 and 16, but there's probably an even bigger one between 16 and 19 when a person comes into their own and separates themselves from their family, finding out who they are. Now think back to when you were 19. Would you consider having the relationship you have with your Dorei now with the fetus she was then?
Anyway, I really don't know any 16 or 17 year old in their right mind who would agree with what I've just said. Sorry if I've attacked you too much.
You're only young once, but you can remain immature indefinatly.
Blaze,
Erica said it better than I could. Respect of women of all ages is extremely important. It takes a man of what I would call high moral character to be involved with a woman who is under age and not take advantage . Respecting her and protecting her as a parent would. There are men who would use such a position to take sexual advantage of her , I believe we both would consider such men the lowest form of life.
I meant by “tread carefully“: that no matter how good or noble your intentions are your local police or your average parents would not see it that way no matter how strongly you protested. That is just a fact of the real world.
Erica wrote:
“This thread was better when I was just posting pictures of hot older chicks. Im'a do that some more. She's almost sixty dayum, Nina!!â€
Amen, Nina H. is truly sexy and hot, 60 or not.
Thus with imagined wing our swift scene flies,
In motion of no less celerity
Than that of thought.
Actually, Tina Tyler in the background turns me on too :P
There's a thin line between genius and insanity - where's my eraser?
sorry about any repitition, Erica, I went on my little tirade before your posts were posted, so I didn't see them.
I concur with your post, incidentally, if that didn't come through in mine.
- HB
Okay, moving on and ignoring the caustic tones of bits of the previous replies....
Do you not think that it's a little naive to make generalizations about 16-year-old boys taking advantage of girls and not even concede in the slightest that it might be (for some people) dangerous ground, at least legally (which it is, if you have sex with her, it's statutory, even if she concedes, and then you could be having the same discussion with a judge) and at least on a general level morally?
The vast majority of older (ie 35+ for the sake of argument) men who become interested in 16-year-old girls (or that range, 14-17) do so because they want their bodies. Plain and simple. There are countless cases of older men gaining the trust of younger women, and then end up using that trust to put those women (to use your words) "in the hospital.....and the grave." In addition, that same majority of high school girls do not have the psychological or emotional maturity to fully experience the benefits that people proclaim in at D/s relationship. Hell, most of the girls that are living in my residence as first-year university students don't have the emotional maturity to deal with "normal" relationships, let alone get used to anything else....
I think it's patently rediculous to believe that no-one will think twice about this relationship because you tell them that it's completely healthy. No-one accused you of tempting this girl in to do her harm at all, far from it. We (those of us who said anything related to this) simply said "tread carefully", which I think is still very wise advise, since if this relationship progresses in the way that you are talking about, you will be a one in a million minority.
I don't think the percentage of men over twice as old as 16-year-old girls who do those things is any better....
Anything that leaves a woman feeling like that isn't moral. End of story. This, however, has nothing to do with the discussion at hand because it is no less likely to happen with a relationship between people of the same age, as with one between people of vastly different ages.
so...
A)older men don't beat or rape younger women? Hardly.
B)girls should simply avoid being with boys their own age?
Can you expand on this? Possibly in another thread, because I think it could lead to interesting discussion, which would undoubtably end up even further off-topic.
You know as well as anyone else on here that this is not anywhere near what comandergood was implying. The relationship you describe above is so far from anything even resembling common that it would be silly to assume that it is taken for granted universally. "Tread carefully" could (and I think may have) simply meant using caution when telling people about your relationship and taking the time and effort to outline the things you list above at the outset so that people don't get the wrong idea. If you had included the above synopsis of your relational role at the beginning of this thread (when the use of the word "slave" was briefly debated) then the confusion simply wouldn't have been there...
- HB
This thread was better when I was just posting pictures of hot older chicks. Im'a do that some more.
She's almost sixty :D dayum, Nina!!
Re: Warning: major rant.
I think that you have to keep in mind that what you described above is the exception rather than the rule, really with any relationship, let alone one with a wide age gap.
YOUR specific relationship sounds very healthy, and I have absolutely no problem with it. However, IN GENERAL a 16 y/o in a TPE relationship doesn't sit well with me. This has nothing to do with maturity, this is about EXPERIENCE. It sounds like you are trying to help her explore both her fantasies and her limits in a manner that is very respectful and cautious. But, I don't think that most men would do so. Hell, even if they have the most noble intentions, I don't think that most people are intuitive enough to know when "yes" really means "no", and even if they do, often they don't have the self control to stop themselves. The reason why I say that experience plays a factor rather than maturity is because before engaging in a TPE/Gorean relationship, the sub should have a very clear idea of his or her limits and personal boundaries. This sort of self-awareness is gained from lots of experimentation with a wide array of sexual/erotic acts, not through intelligence or sophistication (although those qualities do help). An older Dom might think that his sub is so self-aware and cultivated that of course she knows her sexual boundaries, and end up inadvertantly crossing the line.
That is why I don't blame HB's instinctive reaction to his sister engaging in this sort of relationship. It seems as though the comments on the forum haven't specifically targeted you and your dorei, but rather a more general scenario. i.e., Commandergood said that you could be treading dangerous moral ground, not that you are violating his personal standards of ethics. Of course, I could be wrong.
Warning: major rant.
Dangerous moral ground?
If it's somehow "immoral' to be honest and respectful to a young lady, encourage her intellectual and creative endeavours, work dilligently to get her to accept the idea that she's a good--and beautiful--person, help her deal with her problems, get her to stand up to those that disrespect her, give her faith in herself, steer her away from self-destructive behavior, and *NOT* expect her to pay for it with her body, then send me to Hell, because I don't want to have jack shit to do with any of the "moral" fuckers who would allow young women to get to the point that they hate themselves just so that things don't "look improper".
I've seen too many good women throw away their lives and become nothing more than chattle because they bowed to pressure and "settled down with nice young man" their parents liked.
I've seen too many good women end up in hospitals weighing 60 pounds, or laced with scars because they were forced to do the "moral" and "socially accepted" things.
I've seen too many good women raped and beaten by the "boys their own age".
I have seen far far too many women who have listened to "moral" society and have grown to hate themselves with such a passion that no amount of friendship, respect, or honest compliments can come close to breaking through the idea that they are dirty, worthless, whores who's only reason for being is to serve and service some man.
I am not exagerating and I am not talking in abstracts here; I'm talking about women I know personally.
Pardon my vitriol, but Ms Grundy can take her 'accepted morals' and shove them up her ass sideways. Those 'morals' are putting young girls in the hospital..... and the grave.
Blaze
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A warrior is judged by his enemies,
A man by his friends.
Nahh Blaze, I think that she should be with a 16 y/o boy. Because we all know that 16-year-old boys love girls for their minds, treat them like gold, and always respect their limits ;)
Age does not equal maturity, and lack of age does not mean lack of maturity. I've known this young lady for 3 years, and I am willing to bet that she's had more "maturing" experiences than quite a number of the people here. I know for a fact that she is able to deal with situations that are beyond the ability of many 'mature' adults.
There seems to be an impression that this young lady is my "sex slave". That is not the case. She is my student. It has zero to do with sex, and everything to do with taking an intelligent, articulate, and strong-willed young lady, and bringing those qualities out from behind the layers upon layers of shit that's been piled on them by society, family, and boyfriends.
You make the comment that 16-year old girls having a man "fawning over them" are likely to do things they shouldn't. I would disagree. I've dealt with HS students for many many years, and those that would allow that are in the minority from what I've seen. And this young lady, in particular, is not allowing anything she doesn't want. She's not a pawn in this. We both know the limits.
In fact, part of what I'm doing is making her *explicitly* state her limits ahead of time--in all areas. And, to adhere to mine.
Then, respecfully, you have no clue what "this kind of relationship" is about. I'm giving her respect, honesty, guidance, and frienship. And I'm expecting them in return. Our relationship relies on patience, understanding, and communication. You're seeing an old man and a young girl and automatically thinking "being taken advantage of sexually". And you're wrong.
I have a friend who expressed the opinion that D/s relationships are "demeaning and hurtful." That friend doesn't understand what's going on, either. I've dealt with too many young women in "normal" relationships with guys close to their own age where they were demeaned and hurt. Far more of the "normal" relationships that I've seen involve men who use the woman, ignore her, put her down, take advantage of her, and continually reinforce the idea that she's worthless except as a sex object. *These* are the relationships that too many of the young women are getting into.
I stress over and over the concept "I don't want to get in your pants, I want to be accepted in your heart." An older, wiser, more experienced (life-wise, not sex-wise) man is better able to treat a young woman properly than is a hormone-driven kid who still thinks he's immortal and the world is his to use as he pleases--rules and consent be damned.
If your 16-year-old daughter brings home a 35-year-old man, do her a favor: ignore his age and find out what kind of a man he is. If he's a good man and you take him away from her, you're very likely to destroy her confidence, drive her toward the assholes, and make an enemy of her. Not to mention removing what could be the an extremely positive and supportive influence in her life.
I would trust my daughters (had I any) to a man like Koosh far far sooner and easier than to the majority of boys I see in the high schools and colleges.
My dorei made a comment to me a while ago after a long discussion. I asked her what it was about me that attracted her. The point that stood out most to me was when she said "you have more respect for women than anyone I've met." Why do I have that respect? Because I've lived long enough to *learn* it. That respect will do more for her (and the other women I deal with on a regular basis) than any proximity of age or social expectations of propriety ever will.
Blaze
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A warrior is judged by his enemies,
A man by his friends.
HB: You're just uptight cause all your friends have wanted to screw your sister since she was 12. 11. Ah wtf...10.
Raven
Edit: I've decided that from now on, when I reply to something, I'm gonna *read* the post I'm replying to. My comment now sounds like Blaze is only trying to get inside this 16.5 year old's pants, which I know isn't the case.
Nonetheless, your sister is HOT, HB.
>P
Heh, post some pics of her, gowon, do it
Some people are like slinkies: Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
I'm inclined to agree with comandergood on this one. Apart from the obvious legal implications of being involved with a 16 year old ('and-a-half' or no), there are also some maturity issues. That isn't meant as any sort of insult to her either, it's just that I think that the difference between 16 and 20 is much much greater than the difference between 20 and 30. 16 is very young, and there is just such an immense difference in life experience, self-confidence, self-awareness and assertiveness that "tread carefully" is, to me, a bit of an understatement. I don't understand the ins and outs (no pun intended, honest) of the whole Gorean slave world, but I do know that for a lot of 16-year-olds, having a 35-year-old guy fawning over them would be an immense ego-boost, and they could be persuaded to do nearly anything. I'm sure that you've already taken this into account, but I think the same thing applies as was brought up in the 'female genital piercing ban' thread regarding the idea that not actively saying 'no' is not the same thing as saying 'yes'. I get worried when a situation like this arises because to a lot of people, the idea of a 35-year-old man having a 16-year-old slave is already grounds to consider calling the police.
I also have to admit that if I caught wind of my 16 and a half year old sister being asked by a 35-year-old man to enter into this kind of relationship, I wouldn't necessarily be able to be held accountable for my actions, police involvement or otherwise. I'd be pissed.
*DISCLAIMER* I am *NOT* suggesting that Blaze is actively or intentionally doing anything to take sexual advantage of this girl. That is *NOT* my intent. Thank you.
- HB
...or maybe it just makes you think of girl-on-girl ;) I dig butchies as long as they are cute and clean, as opposed to unhygenic and grizzly.
Found some more pics of basia:
http://public.fotki.com/basia666/
http://basia.deviantart.com/
http://www.musecube.com/basia/
She is not exactly "older" right now, but you can tell that she will age beautifully. I also love Nina Hartley. She has an incredible body, but she is kind of "porned out" if you know what I mean. I think that's from having been in the industry for so long, not because of her age.
I too like the bobbed/close-cropped/short hair on a lady. Methinks that in my twisted lil playground of a mind that it equates to tomboy/butch/dyke kinda thing, in other words, person who appreciates sex. (Not always so, I know...) :lol:
Of course, courtesy of Steph, ambrosia, erica et. al., i am being disabused of this notion :D
It's all about opening the mind, body, heart, and soul to Possibilities....
Kinda sounds like perversion, don't you think? :)
"Keep looking for it....you'll find it."
-Perry Marshall
I wish you well.
http://iam.bmezine.com/?basia
Who is that last woman? RAWWR! Hair just like I like it!
There's a thin line between genius and insanity - where's my eraser?
He usually uses the term "horrific". It's an ongoing debate we have. What word can most accurately describe such an abhorrent practice.
Ah, but wait until you get home from work and can click the other Farrah link ;)
I don't have any sort of moral issue with older men and younger women, but I have to say that our current youth-obsessed culture can be very intimidating. It does suck that in about ten years only a fraction of men who find me (and other women my age) sexy now will continue to do so. Fuck 'em if they don't luhhhv me, but regardless, I think that is the real reason why women get so upset about relationships with wide age gaps (not because of a moral objection), although no one wants to admit it.
Anyone who follows Sex and the City will remember Enid's "wading pool" comment...
I realize that my responses here haven't fully explained my viewpoint: Beauty is beauty; age is irrelevant. Lena Horne is *damn* sexy--and she's over 70. When I was 16, I thought Audrey Hepburn in her 50s was sexy. I still think that.
That's what my comment about what's sexy at 16 & at 35 meant.
Though, I do have to say this: The pix you posted above don't do much for me. It's nothing to do with their age, though. I'm just not partial to that "look". Farrah has gotten *much* sexier as she's gotten older. But that pic is more air-brush and hairspray than woman.
Blaze
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A warrior is judged by his enemies,
A man by his friends.
Blaze wrote:
“Well... just so you know, I'm the original poster. She's 16½, I'm 35, and I think she's plenty beautiful.â€
Blaze , she is beautiful, but I think you are getting into some dangerous legal (if not moral) territory with her being under 18, tread carefully.
Erica Wrote:
“Am I the only person on this board who finds elegant older women to be very sexy?â€
By no means, there a many older women who are just as sexy as younger women, if not more. Elegant is the perfect word for it, they often have a fuller , well rounded sense of self that can add greatly to their sexiness .
Thus with imagined wing our swift scene flies,
In motion of no less celerity
Than that of thought.
Does your boyfriend agree?